Discussion:
Q45 won't start (cranks easily) how to diagnose?
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Alora Duncan
2003-10-12 08:25:44 UTC
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Can you help me diagnose this Sunday my 1990 Q45 not starting?

Two days ago, the car would not start.
It cranks wonderfully - but the car won't start.
I've been staring at the engine for two days.

I have lots of questions:

Q1: How do I check that fuel is getting to the cylinders?
Do I remove a fuel injector and crank to see if gas spurts out?
Do I listen to the fuel pump at the gas cap? What for?
Do I the 'fuel controller' (whatever that is); how?
If it is the fuel pump -- do I get it out from the bottom of the car?
Or do I go thru the rear seat? How?

Q2: I'm just going to assume air is getting to the car as this
happened all of a sudden. The filter is clean though.

Q3: How do I check for spark? I can't even FIND the spark plugs?
They must be under the cover on each side (I guess).
How do I get to them?

Q3: Likewise for compression. I pored oil in the oil-opening to see
if cylinder wash was the culprit. I will look to see if I can see
things moving about from the oil-entry hole ... Is there any other
way to tell if the timing belt snapped? I guess I could put a
compression gage to the cylinders ... but I can't even find the
spark plug. How do I get a compression gage into the cylinders?

Q4: I seriously doube timing went out of whack so I wont' try to test
this.

Mostly I suspect GAS and SPARK. How can I diagnose the problem?
Is there a computer code somewhere. Oh, I wish I could find that manual!

Please help,
Alora D.
Alora Duncan
2003-10-13 05:56:11 UTC
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1990 Q45 cranks wonderfully - but the car won't start.
I removed the fuel filter & cranked the engine with a result that no
gasoline whatsoever eminated from the open hose going INTO the fuel
filter. Proof positive, I guess of one of four broken parts:

These two I've found the location of:
- fuel pump fuse, 15 amp (located to the left of steering wheel)
- fuel pump (is apparently in the gas tank behind the rear seat)

Would Q45 experts help me find these two items?
- fuel pump relay (dunno where to find this fuel-pump relay)
- fuel pump control unit (dunno where to find this control unit)

QUESTIONS for Q45 experts:
a. Where is the fuel pump relay (is it in the engine compartment)?
b. Where is the fuel pump control unit (is it near the fuel tank)?
c. Do I access the fuel pump from the trunk, back seat, or underside?

Thanks for your kind assistance,
Alora
Alora Duncan
2003-10-13 08:30:49 UTC
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I've read EVERYTHING on this topic and I have only a few remaining questions.

Q: What is the Infiniti Q45 "package tray" & "storage compartment"?
Q: What is the Infiniti Q45 "trunk room"?

I read the shop manual (from http://www.nissan-techinfo.com/infiniti).
I searched the USENET groups (from http://groups.google.com).
I searched NICO (Nissan/Infiniti owners) http://nissaninfiniticlub.net).
I searched Yahoo (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/infinitiownersclub).

Since there is no fuel eminating at the fuel filter inlet, I suspect:
- The fuel pump, or,
- The fuel pump relay, or,
- The fuel pump control unit.

To further diagnose, I need to get a Fluke meter onto each of the above.

Apparently, the fuel pump relay & fuel pump control unit are in the
so-called "trunk room". My first question is how to access that trunk
room. I know I remove the rear seats (done already). But, then I'm
supposed to remove the "package tray" & "storage compartment". I can
see what the storage compartment is (not the one on the middle arm
rest but on the shelf at the rear of the car); but what is the package
tray?

Q: Is the package tray the horizontal shelf that is in the back of the
car between the top of the rear seats and the rear window?

Alora
Jim Madsen
2003-10-14 00:13:50 UTC
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I see you're crossposting to 3 different groups.

Was not going to reply because of this, but--

Try the easiest things first.

Get a hammer or crowbar, and bang on the bottom of the fuel tank a
couple of times. Then try to start the car. If the engine starts, its
probably the fuel pump.

Jim
Alora Duncan
2003-10-14 02:29:14 UTC
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Post by Alora Duncan
I've read EVERYTHING on this topic and I have only a few remaining questions.
I've got everything out of the car now and am testing.
Understanding the fuel system is the key component of this test.

Electrically, the battery feeds juice to the FUEL PUMP 15 amp FUSE
on to the FUEL PUMP RELAY which is activated by the ON position of
the IGNITION SWITCH to cause 13.8 volts to go to the FUEL PUMP which
is grounded through the FUEL PUMP CONTROL UNIT which basically
provides three (5.6v, 7.8v, 11-14v) pathways back to the negative
terminal of the battery (like a large-wattage three-position
potentiometer). (Fuel gage is separate.)

Hydraulically, the FUEL PUMP sucks fuel through a white FILTER SOCK
and pushes the benzene onward to the FUEL FILTER and then to each
FUEL INJECTOR and into the engine for the 14:1 pow part of the
combustion chamber pull/push/pow/puey sequence. Any left-over fuel
is apparently sent back past the FUEL REGULATOR into the FUEL TANK.

If a jumper wire grounding the fuel pump starts the fuel pump, then
the FPCU is suspect. It's also a very good emergency procedure to
limp along the five miles or so to the nearest help sans towing.

I took photos of the step-by-step removal sequence (the rear bench
and seat back, storage tray and storage compartment, rear brake
light, etc. all need to be removed as access is thru the rear seat).

I'll document the entire sequence (so the next person doesn't have to)
and post it to the Nissan Infiniti Owners Club web site (apparently
rec.autos.tech folks don't know much about this so this is probably
the last posting to rec.autos.tech on this topic).

Alora
Alora Duncan
2003-10-26 10:26:24 UTC
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After studying ALL fuel-pump-related posts & searching the Q45
FSM), I emphatically state NONE mention the LOCATION of the
The fuel pump relay is behind the right trunk panel ...
The green one is the one you want to test ...
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Also, none seem to mention exactly HOW TO REMOVE the 1990 Infiniti
Remove the rear seat bench, rear seat headrests, rear seat back,
rear shelf tail lamp, rear shelf, rear shelf storage basin,
trunk divider (between the trunk & the rear seat back) ...
Remove the thick black sound-deadening material on the rear
shelf to access the four bolt heads holding the fuel pump
control unit to the underside of the rear shelf via brackets.
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The next question appears to be about seemingly magic connections.
Oh, where is a good Infiniti Q45 owner when I really need them?

The factory shop manual (FSM) says (on page EF & EC-185) to
DISCONNECT the fuel pump control unit (FPCU) harness connector;
and then inexplicably, the FSM says to re-connect it magically:
- Connect proper terminal wires between the fuel pump control
unit harness terminals.
Then it says to "Start engine" and check the voltage between
terminal 7 and terminal 4.

Well, the engine won't start unless the connector is connected.
Yet, testing connections can't be done with the connector connected.

How can I even GET to the metal terminals 7 & 4 when the connector
is connected?
+------++---------+
4-------| || |-----D
5-------| || |-----E
6-------| Male || Female |-----F
7-------| || |-----G
+------++---------+

Am I to (somehow) connect (magic) wire jumpers BETWEEN the connector?
+------+ +---------+
4-------| |<----->| |-----D
5-------| |<----->| |-----E
6-------| Male |<----->| Female |-----F
7-------| |<----->| |-----G
+------+ +---------+

And then (somehow) attach a VOM to terminals #7 & #4?
+-------------------------+
| |
+------+ | +---------+ |
4-------| |<--+-->| |-----D +--+--+
5------| |<----->| |-----E | |
6-------| Male |<----->| Female |-----F | VOM | ==> 13.8 V
7-------| |<--+-->| |-----G | |
+------+ | +---------+ +--+--+
| |
+-------------------------+

The FSM diagrams (SEF882J, SEF883J, & SEF884J) show (somehow,
magically) a VOM inserted IN THE MIDDLE of the CONNECTED
terminals #7 & #4! How can that be? What is this magic?

And, how do I (one by one) connect ADDITIONAL wires?
The very next diagram shows a fifth wire (#2) connected:
+-------------------------+
| |
+------+ | +---------+ |
4-------| |<--+-->| |-----D |
2-------| |<----->| |-----B +--+--+
5-------| |<----->| |-----E | |
6-------| Male |<----->| Female |-----F | VOM | ==> 7.5 V
7-------| |<--+-->| |-----G | | to
+------+ | +---------+ +--+--+ 8.1 V
| |
+-------------------------+

And the last diagram shows (yet another) sixth wire (#1) connected:
+-------------------------+
| |
+------+ | +---------+ |
4-------| |<--+-->| |-----D |
1-------| |<----->| |-----A |
2-------| |<----->| |-----B +--+--+
5-------| |<----->| |-----E | |
6-------| Male |<----->| Female |-----F | VOM | ==> 5.5 V
7-------| |<--+-->| |-----G | | to
+------+ | +---------+ +--+--+ 5.7 V
| |
+-------------------------+

QUESTION for q45 owners:
How (the heck) can I (possibly) insert the VOM into the
MIDDLE of the CONNECTED terminal?

Q: Is there a magic 6-wire bare-metal jumper somehow?
When a car gets towed in the first thing we do is use a
jumper [wire with two alligator clips] to directly ground
the fuel pump ground terminal [the junction of pump and
controller] ... supplying 12-14 volts to pump.
QUESTION:
How do I get the METAL connection to ground for the fuel
pump when the fuel pump harness has to be CONNECTED in
order to supply power to the fuel pump - and when the harness
is connected, there is NO BARE METAL wires to connect to?

Said another way, when the connectors are connected,
there is NO METAL SHOWING. And when the connectors are
unconnected, there is NO POWER TO THE FUEL PUMP. So, what
is the MAGIC that gets a metal alligator clip into the
middle of the connected connector?

Is there a magical 4-wire jumper that has bare metal in
the middle so both power to the fuel pump and ground
to the car body can be accomplished at the same time?

Please advise a poor soul who doesn't have the money to pay
for full service yet who would like to diagnose this problem.

This seems to be the last of my LOCATION & DIAGNOSIS dilemmas.
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Alora
David
2003-10-26 13:19:26 UTC
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test2
Ricky Spartacus
2003-10-27 14:01:34 UTC
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Post by Alora Duncan
After studying ALL fuel-pump-related posts & searching the Q45
FSM), I emphatically state NONE mention the LOCATION of the
The fuel pump relay is behind the right trunk panel ...
The green one is the one you want to test ...
A fuel pump relay are easily located by a click, then followed by
another click when ignition is first switch to run, if it or what ever
is powering it is still working.
Post by Alora Duncan
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Also, none seem to mention exactly HOW TO REMOVE the 1990 Infiniti
Q45 fuel pump control unit,
Remove the four bolts holding it, he's suggesting the unit with four
bolts.
Post by Alora Duncan
Remove the rear seat bench, rear seat headrests, rear seat back,
rear shelf tail lamp, rear shelf, rear shelf storage basin,
trunk divider (between the trunk & the rear seat back) ...
Remove the thick black sound-deadening material on the rear
shelf to access the four bolt heads holding the fuel pump
control unit to the underside of the rear shelf via brackets.
The factory shop manual (FSM) says (on page EF & EC-185) to
DISCONNECT the fuel pump control unit (FPCU) harness connector;
- Connect proper terminal wires between the fuel pump control
unit harness terminals.
Then it says to "Start engine" and check the voltage between
terminal 7 and terminal 4.
Well, the engine won't start unless the connector is connected.
Yet, testing connections can't be done with the connector connected.
Normally, you don't test a fuel pump with a car running, unless
pressure testing. You don't need to start it, just turn it to run
position.
Post by Alora Duncan
How can I even GET to the metal terminals 7 & 4 when the connector
is connected?
Easy, use a sewing needle and drive it into the wire. Connect an
aligator clip to the needle. Don't listen to manual about test
harness, you won't find one but you can always make one, but you won't
need it.
Post by Alora Duncan
How (the heck) can I (possibly) insert the VOM into the
MIDDLE of the CONNECTED terminal?
The FSM diagrams (SEF882J, SEF883J, & SEF884J) show (somehow,
magically) a VOM inserted IN THE MIDDLE of the CONNECTED
terminals #7 & #4! How can that be? What is this magic?
I heat my probes with MAP torch first and my probes sinks right into
any wires, connectors, etc. It's like magic. I do this all the time.
Post by Alora Duncan
When a car gets towed in the first thing we do is use a
jumper [wire with two alligator clips] to directly ground
the fuel pump ground terminal [the junction of pump and
controller] ... supplying 12-14 volts to pump.
How do I get the METAL connection to ground for the fuel
pump when the fuel pump harness has to be CONNECTED in
order to supply power to the fuel pump - and when the harness
is connected, there is NO BARE METAL wires to connect to?
I'm struggling with English, here goes. Splice the intended wire,
wrap another pre-spliced wire (same type) onto this and solder it or
crimp it with a pair of pliers. You now have a split wire capable of
handling the currents demanded by the fuel pump. Tape this wire
securely with only electrical tape to prevent fires. Note that without
proper currents, your fuel pump won't spin if it's slighty seized from
formations to the prepellars.

The other cleaner but difficult method is to remove the lead(s) you
want from the male or female connector. Attach a copper wire to this
carefully, and securly. Solder it. Inserted the lead(s) back into the
male or female connector.
Post by Alora Duncan
Is there a magical 4-wire jumper that has bare metal in
the middle so both power to the fuel pump and ground
to the car body can be accomplished at the same time?
There's no such thing, I can solve a fuel pump problems with no tools
on hand, I just rip a wire and a bulb from anywhere in the car and
diagnose fuel problems in seconds. The SM are suggesting a test
harness that jumps from the male to female. I've made several of these
myself. They work fine in controlled enviroment but in reality, cars
don't die inside a well lit garage. They always die in a dark, windy,
rainy bad neighborhood.
Post by Alora Duncan
Please advise a poor soul who doesn't have the money to pay
for full service yet who would like to diagnose this problem.
I'm aiming for financial security myself by working hard to gain
knowledge, which is what you're doing. Knowledge is what you need.
Rick
Post by Alora Duncan
Alora
Ricky Spartacus
2003-10-27 14:04:26 UTC
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Post by Alora Duncan
After studying ALL fuel-pump-related posts & searching the Q45
FSM), I emphatically state NONE mention the LOCATION of the
The fuel pump relay is behind the right trunk panel ...
The green one is the one you want to test ...
A fuel pump relay are easily located by a click, then followed by
another click when ignition is first switch to run, if it or what ever
is powering it is still working.
Post by Alora Duncan
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Also, none seem to mention exactly HOW TO REMOVE the 1990 Infiniti
Q45 fuel pump control unit,
Remove the four bolts holding it, he's suggesting the unit with four
bolts.
Post by Alora Duncan
Remove the rear seat bench, rear seat headrests, rear seat back,
rear shelf tail lamp, rear shelf, rear shelf storage basin,
trunk divider (between the trunk & the rear seat back) ...
Remove the thick black sound-deadening material on the rear
shelf to access the four bolt heads holding the fuel pump
control unit to the underside of the rear shelf via brackets.
The factory shop manual (FSM) says (on page EF & EC-185) to
DISCONNECT the fuel pump control unit (FPCU) harness connector;
- Connect proper terminal wires between the fuel pump control
unit harness terminals.
Then it says to "Start engine" and check the voltage between
terminal 7 and terminal 4.
Well, the engine won't start unless the connector is connected.
Yet, testing connections can't be done with the connector connected.
Normally, you don't test a fuel pump with a car running, unless
pressure testing. You don't need to start it, just turn it to run
position.
Post by Alora Duncan
How can I even GET to the metal terminals 7 & 4 when the connector
is connected?
Easy, use a sewing needle and drive it into the wire. Connect an
aligator clip to the needle. Don't listen to manual about test
harness, you won't find one but you can always make one, but you won't
need it.
Post by Alora Duncan
How (the heck) can I (possibly) insert the VOM into the
MIDDLE of the CONNECTED terminal?
The FSM diagrams (SEF882J, SEF883J, & SEF884J) show (somehow,
magically) a VOM inserted IN THE MIDDLE of the CONNECTED
terminals #7 & #4! How can that be? What is this magic?
I heat my probes with MAP torch first and my probes sinks right into
any wires, connectors, etc. It's like magic. I do this all the time.
Post by Alora Duncan
When a car gets towed in the first thing we do is use a
jumper [wire with two alligator clips] to directly ground
the fuel pump ground terminal [the junction of pump and
controller] ... supplying 12-14 volts to pump.
How do I get the METAL connection to ground for the fuel
pump when the fuel pump harness has to be CONNECTED in
order to supply power to the fuel pump - and when the harness
is connected, there is NO BARE METAL wires to connect to?
I'm struggling with English, here goes. Splice the intended wire,
wrap another pre-spliced wire (same type) onto this and solder it or
crimp it with a pair of pliers. You now have a split wire capable of
handling the currents demanded by the fuel pump. Tape this wire
securely with only electrical tape to prevent fires. Note that without
proper currents, your fuel pump won't spin if it's slighty seized from
formations to the prepellars.

The other cleaner but difficult method is to remove the lead(s) you
want from the male or female connector. Attach a copper wire to this
carefully, and securly. Solder it. Inserted the lead(s) back into the
male or female connector.
Post by Alora Duncan
Is there a magical 4-wire jumper that has bare metal in
the middle so both power to the fuel pump and ground
to the car body can be accomplished at the same time?
There's no such thing, I can solve a fuel pump problems with no tools
on hand, I just rip a wire and a bulb from anywhere in the car and
diagnose fuel problems in seconds. The SM are suggesting a test
harness that jumps from the male to female. I've made several of these
myself. They work fine in controlled enviroment but in reality, cars
don't die inside a well lit garage. They always die in a dark, windy,
rainy bad neighborhood.
Post by Alora Duncan
Please advise a poor soul who doesn't have the money to pay
for full service yet who would like to diagnose this problem.
I'm aiming for financial security myself by working hard to gain
knowledge, which is what you're doing. Knowledge is what you need.
Rick
Post by Alora Duncan
Alora
Alora Duncan
2003-11-16 08:25:55 UTC
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I've been driving on the new fuel pump & resoldered fuel pump control module
for a few weeks now. I wrote up the entire sequence (with pictures) and will
post to the yahoo & NICO newsgroups for the next Q45 do-it-yourself mechanic.
(This writeup will be especially useful because the procedure to follow is
NOT the procedure in the factory shop manual. The yahoo & Nico newsgroups
were especially helpful so I feel I should give something back to them.)

The new Infiniti Q45 fuel pump barely makes a sound. Even hot-wired to ground
(with full battery voltage), the new fuel pump was still MUCH quieter than the
original Q45 fuel pump. Next time, when I hear a Q45 fuel pump hummin', I'm
going to replace it BEFORE it eventually destroys the fuel pump control unit.

If I had simply replaced the fuel pump control unit (which exhibited the
classic Q45 #4 ground-wire solder melted-open problem), the old fuel pump
would have still drawn enough current to burn the new fuel pump control
unit out in a short while.

If I had simply replaced the noisy fuel pump, the Q45 still would not run
because the destroyed fuel pump control unit left open the circuit to ground.

The non-intuitive repair consisted of replacing the working fuel pump (which
drew too much current) with a new $312 dollar fuel pump; and resoldering
(after reinforcing) the non-working #4 ground-wire circuit to ground
in the Q45 fuel pump control unit (saving a $500 dollar replacement cost).

I left the trunk bulkhead loose so I could check for overheating, but, the
resoldered Infiniti Q45 fuel pump control unit appears only slightly warm
to the touch, even after 50 miles of highway driving.

Total time for repair: About 3 weeks elapsed time; maybe 5 hours actual,
of which 4 were debugging which could have been replaced with 10 minutes of
debugging time had I known what I know now about Q45 fuel pump diagnostics).

Total cost for repair: $312 for the Q45 fuel pump; $12 for the 0 ring.
Alora Duncan
2003-11-17 05:26:50 UTC
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Diary of a classic 1990 Infiniti Q45 fuel pump & pump control unit failure
By Alora Duncan http://profiles.yahoo.com/tangalora
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Note: Photos were taken of every step below; but I do not know how to post
these revealing photos to this forum.
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0. One morning, my 1990 Infiniti Q45 (125K miles) wouldn't start:

The 4.5 liter 8-cylinder engine cranked wonderfully, but would not catch.
It wasn't the starter motor nor the battery (as it rotated perfectly).
As always, it had to be either gas, air, spark, compression, or timing.

Following is an idealized path others can follow to debug & repair.

Note: My actual debug & repair path took three weeks and much trial &
error; which is exactly why I wrote this howto for others to follow.

Note: Re-assembly, in all cases, is the reverse of the dis-assembly
procedures described below.

Note: This dozen-step diagnostic, removal, & replacement procedure is
accompanied every step of the way with digital photos illustrating
every described action.
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1. I ran a quick visual/audible gas, air, spark, compression & timing check:

GAS: The gas tank was completely full (filled the night before).
The 15 amp fuel pump fuse was intact (replaced it anyway).
I could NOT hear the fuel pump humming (at any time).
AIR: The air intake & air filter were not clogged (left it open).
SPARK: I did not know how to run a quick test for spark.
COMPRESSION: The engine did sound like cylinder wash (no compression?).
TIMING: The camshaft rotated (looking in the oil-filler hole).
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2. I soon realized no gasoline was being pumped INTO the fuel filter:

- I removed the 15 amp fuel pump fuse (by the driver-side right kneecap);
- I cranked the engine in order to release any residual fuel pressure;
- I removed the two 10mm bolts holding the fuel filter clamp to the body;
- I removed the two #2 phillips screws holding the fuel filter hoses on;
- I replaced the 15 amp fuel pump fuse and cranked the engine again.
- No gasoline spurted out of the open fuel line hose.

Note: One clue was that, after an overnight sitting, with the fuel filter
and activated carbon fuel cannister still on the car, the engine
started for a split second. This happened for two mornings.
I suspect this momentary ignition was due to the burning of
fuel fumes collecting in the fuel system over long periods of time.

Note: I blew through my fuel filter and there was almost no resistance;
so, despite the fact almost everyone says that a clogged fuel filter
can cause the fuel pump to overwork and therefore heat up and
therefore melt the solder connections on the fuel pump control unit,
I suspect a clogged fuel filter was not my problem.
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3. I studied the 1990 Q45 fuel system electrical & hydraulic circuits:

ELECTRICAL:
- Battery voltage goes to the fuel pump relay ...
- to the fuel pump (in the gas tank) ...
- to the fuel pump control unit (under the rear sundeck platform) ...
- which provides three resistive paths (fuel pump speeds) to ground ...
- based on input from the engine control unit (passenger side dash).

HYDRAULIC:
- Fuel is pumped out of the fuel tank ...
- to the inlet of the fuel filter ...
- to the fuel line & fuel plenum ...
- to each of the 8 fuel injectors (which open at the same time) ...
- with pressure regulated by the 43 psi fuel pressure regulator ...
- which sends unspent fuel back to the fuel tank for recovery ...
- and which allows fuel vapors to be trapped in the carbon cannister.

INTERNET:
- Factory shop manual & technical service bulletins & recall notices:
http://www.nissan-techinfo.com/infiniti
- Infiniti mechanics and afficianados on line to help you:
http://nissaninfiniticlub.net
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/infinitiownersclub).
- Basic USENET newsgroups (not much help compared to the above):
http://groups.google.com/groups?group=alt.autos.infiniti.q45
http://groups.google.com/groups?group=alt.autos.nissan
http://groups.google.com/groups?group=rec.autos.tech
- New parts:
http://www.infinitipartsusa.com
Fuel Pump Control Unit: $379.05 + sh & tax
Fuel Pump (includes the fuel pump 0-ring): $234.99 + sh & tax
Fuel Injector: $142.71 + sh & tax
Fuel Gauge Sending Unit: $ 97.38 + sh & tax
Fuel Filter: : $ 10.49 + sh & tax
Note: For some strange reason, searches on www.infinitipartsusa.com
locate the fuel pump control unit only as the "Fuel Modulator"
(nobody else uses that naming convention).
Fuel Modulator Q45 1990-1996 $379.05

- Used parts:
Fuel Pump: 1990 to 1996
Fuel Pump Control Unit: 1990 to 1996
Fuel Gauge Sending Unit: 1990 to 1996

LOCATIONS:
- The fuel tank is located in the center of the trunk room (between
the rear seat and the trunk).
- The fuel pump & fuel pump resistive gauge & filter sock is located in
the top of the fuel tank.
- The fuel pump control unit is located on the underside of the rear
metal sundeck (near the rear passenger side speaker housing).
- The fuel pump relay (lime green) is located next to the antenna and
fuel tank gasoline inlet in the area between the rear passenger side
fender and the rear passenger side trunk fiberboard lining.
- The fuel filter is located on the passenger side of the engine
compartment bolted to the inside of the passenger side fender wall.

ACCESS:
- Access the fuel pump, fuel pump relay, fuel pump control unit, & the
related fuel system harnesses for test from the rear trunk area.
- Access the fuel pump for removal & replacement either by removing the
rear seat & sundeck & storage binnacle or by dropping the fuel tank
(rear seat removal access is preferred over tank removal by most).

TERMINOLOGY (don't get these mixed up):
- The harness connector (white, female) to the fuel pump control unit
is called the fuel pump control unit harness connector.
- The harness connector (green) to the fuel pump relay is called the
fuel pump relay harness connector.
- The harness connector (blue, female) to the fuel pump is called the
fuel pump harness connector.
Likewise:
- The connector (white, male) on the fuel pump control unit
is called the fuel pump control unit connector.
- The connector (green) on the fuel pump relay is called the
fuel pump relay.
- The connector (blue, male) to the fuel pump is called the fuel pump
connector.

TOOLS:
- Two #2 phillips screwdrivers (one six inch, & 1 two-inch stubby).
- One thin flathead screwdriver (for prying plastic butterfly clips).
- Two box wrenches (one 8 mm box & one 10mm) for bracket bolts.
- One 19 mm open-end wrench (for the gas tank fuel line lock nuts).
- One 16 AWG wire, about a foot long, with an alligator clip on each end.
- One volt-ohm-amp-meter (Fluke 77 or equivalent) with alligator clips.
- One needle-nose or standard pliars (for spring-closed hose clamps).
- One paring knife (or similar) for removal of sound-proofing material.
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4. The fuel pump relay checked out OK for proper operation under load:

FROM THE TRUNK:
- I removed the trunk room fiberboard bulkhead (between the rear seat
back & the trunk) by removing the 7 black #2 phillips screw-type
butterfly anchor clips holding the fiberboard bulkhead to the steel
supports.
- I removed the trunk passenger-side bulkhead (between the trunk and
the rear fender near the radio antenna & fuel filler opening) by
removing the 5 black #2 phillips screw-type butterfly anchor clips
from their supports.
- I removed the single 10mm bolt holding the two-pronged relay bracket
which held a blue relay (courtesy lamp relay) on one prong and a
lime-green (fuel pump relay) relay on the other.
- I pulled the lime-green fuel pump relay off the bracket tang.
- I jumped 12 volts DC across pins #1 and #2 (hearing a sharp click).
- The resistance fell (from infinity) as the actuator closed (to zero).

Note: I also checked power to the fuel pump relay, continuity from the
fuel pump relay to the fuel pump relay harness, continuity from
the fuel pump relay harness to the fuel pump harness, & continuity
from the fuel pump harness to the fuel pump control unit harness
(all as per the factory shop manual EF & EC-169); but, not
surprisingly, I'm told the fuel pump relay and these fuel electrical
system wires almost never go bad; so consider the entire diagnosis
procedure in the factory shop manual a severe case of over diagnosis.
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5. The old fuel pump passed the basic factory shop manual test:

FROM THE TRUNK:
- I disconnected the fuel pump harness connector (blue, in the trunk room).
- As per the factory shop manual (EF & EC-185), I checked the resistance
between the top-left and the top-right (tab on top, facing terminal side)
of the six male terminals on this fuel pump connector.
- My resistance was 0.9 to 1.1 ohms which was inconclusive since the
factory shop manual merely states the resistance to be 0.5 ohms but
the factory shop manual does not supply a range value.

Note: It seems this factory shop manual test is almost useless.
When I tested the new fuel pump, it too tested about the same at
0.6 to 0.8 ohms. The online Infiniti mechanics noted the resistance
test merely checks one (of many) commutators. Online mechanics say
the clearest sign of a bad pump is audible HUMMING.

I must admit, the new pump barely made a sound, even when jumped
directly to ground providing it full battery voltage. I didn't
realize it at the time, but, the old pump actually hummed loudly.
(There is so much soundproofing that I never heard the old fuel
pump motor hum until the rear trunk room lay bare & exposed.)
Basic recommendation: If the fuel pump has 100K miles on it; or
if the fuel pump is humming at all audibly; then replace it
(before it burns out the ground wire on the fuel pump control unit).

Note: The two most basic tests should have been (in hindsight):
- Did the 1990 Infiniti Q45 have more than 100K miles?
- Did the 1990 Infiniti Q45 fuel pump have an audible hum?
If either answer were yes, then replace the '90 Q45 fuel pump.
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6. The old fuel pump control unit failed the basic bypass test:

FROM THE ENGINE COMPARTMENT:
- I reconnected the fuel filter (passenger side of the engine compartment).

FROM THE TRUNK:
- I reconnected the fuel pump harness connector (blue, in the trunk room).
- I removed the fuel pump control unit harness connector (white, female)
from the fuel pump control unit connector (white, male) mounted directly
on the fuel pump control unit.
- Note: Nothing else was removed at this time; the fuel system was
otherwise completely intact.
- I filed an alligator clip's teeth so that it fit into the small female
tab on the bottom left (terminal side, with the clip up) of the white
fuel pump control unit harness connector.
- I connected the other side of the alligator-clip one foot long 16 AWG
wire to a convenient ground (expecting as much as 7.5 amps to 10 amps
based on 15-amp fusing).
- I turned the ignition to "ON" and listened for the fuel-pump humming.
- It hummed for about 10 seconds after turning the ignition to ON.
- I started the 1990 Infiniti Q45; it ran like a charm.
- The current draw was about 5.8 amps on the old humming fuel pump.
- The engine starved approximately 2 seconds after disconnecting this
fuel pump control unit bypass jumper.

Note: I drove the car for more than a week (about 200 miles) with this
thin alligator clip shorting the fuel pump to ground bypassing the
three-position (***@5.5 to 5.7 volts, ***@7.5 to 8.1 volts, &
***@11 to 14 volts battery voltage) fuel pump control unit settings.

Note: Online mechanics estimate the old fuel pump might last a few weeks
(running full speed as it is when jumpered to ground); while a new
fuel pump may last a few months in this temporary full-power state.

Note: It is recommended the fuel tank be kept full whenever operating the
Infiniti Q45 in this state as the fuel pump is cooled by the
gasoline in the fuel tank.

Note: This is NOT the procedure in the factory shop manual (EF & EC-185).
This procedure is much simpler than that in the factory shop manual.
The procedure in the factory shop manual requires three test jigs,
of four, five, and then six wires between the white female fuel
pump control unit harness connector and the white male fuel pump
control unit connector. In most cases, this test is overkill.
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7. Reconcile yourself to the fact you have a few hours of work to perform:

Q: Why?
A: Because of these three basic facts.

FACT 1: The first fact is that the proper removal of the fuel pump
control unit is from the rear-seat direction & not from the
(otherwise more convenient) trunk-room direction.

FACT 2: The second fact is that experienced Infiniti Q45 mechanics
have concluded most fuel pump control unit failures are due
to the fuel pump itself beginning to fail (and thereby to
draw excessive current, which melts the weak solder joints on
the ground wire printed circuit board connection on the fuel
pump control unit).

FACT 3: Therefore, if you merely replace or re-solder the broken fuel
pump control unit, you'll eventually burn out the new or newly
repaired (and much more expensive) fuel pump control unit.

The good news is the Infiniti mechanics online have reported very few
(if any failures of the repaired or replaced fuel pump control unit
once the fuel pump is replaced (for another 100K miles or so anyway).
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8. Remove the rear seats, rear sundeck shelf, and rear package binnacle:

REMOVE REAR BENCH:
- Move the front seats forward as far as they will go and tilt the
front seat backs forward as far as they will go to obtain working room.
- Locate the two black clip extensions on the rear seat floor area and
pull out those two black clip extensions simultaneously pulling up on
the leading edge of the rear seat bench to lift it upward and out.
The rear seat bench removal requires no bolts to be removed.
There are only four clips in the leading edge; and two clips in the
trailing edge of the rear seat bench to take into account for removal.
- Scavenge the $1.35 (on average) in loose change under the rear bench
that the federal government suggests wreckers earn per car on wrecked
cars for tax-reporting reasons.

REMOVE REAR SEAT BACK:
- Pop out or pry out (with a thin flathead screwdriver) the four blue
solid butterfly anchor clips from the leading edge of the rear topside
sundeck where the sundeck overlaps with the rear seatback.
- Remove the two rear headrests by pressing the driver-side knob under
each & simultaneously lifting upward until the posts clear the seatback.
- Push down the rear seat armrest and pull back on the vertical backing
which is velcroed to the steel bulkhead behind rear seat back.
- Remove the two #2 phillips screws behind this velcroed rear armrest
compartment.
- Remove the four #2 phillips screws holding the U-brackets at the
bottom of the rear seat back.
- Pull up the rear seat back vertically, to clear three reverse-u-shaped
wire brackets from their u-shaped metal brackets in the rear bulkhead
metal wall. This should remove the seat (except for the seat belts).
- Pull out the two side rear seat shoulder belts as far as they will go
and jam a pen or other object to eliminate the return tension.
The seat belts will be less of a nuisance if you perform this task.
- Flip the rear seat back (still attached by the seat belts) upside down
so that the foam side is facing the front & the leather side is facing
the rear and the headrest portion is on the floor of the automobile
(this provides maximum room to work, especially if you've already
moved the front seats as far forward as possible).
- Replace all screws loosly in their original holes so as not to lose
any.

REMOVE REAR UPPER TAIL-LIGHT & REAR SUNDECK:
- After removing the three blue solid butterfly clips on the leading
edge of the rear sundeck ...
- Pull toward the front and upward on the rear upper tail-lamp housing;
and disconnect the rear upper tail-lamp harness connector from the rear
upper tail-lamp connector. Remove the rear tail lamp housing.
- Pull up on the rear sundeck everywhere you can to unclip the 11 solid
white anchor clips (4 equally spaced in the rear, two in the middle
on each side of the package binnacle, and 5 near the front of the
sundeck shelf, three of which are closely spaced near the middle front
of the sundeck shelf and the other two nearer the outside edges).
- Collect all anchor clips in a zip-lock bag marked "rear shelf".

REMOVE REAR SUNDECK PACKAGE BINNACLE:
- With the rear upper tail-lamp & rear sundeck removed, unscrew the
seven #2 phillips screws holding down the black plastic rear sundeck
package binnacle (aka storage compartment basin).

Note: This rear sundeck black plastic storage binnacle is the key to
removing the fuel pump since the fuel pump (with the attached fuel
pump float, fuel pump housing, fuel pump level gauge, etc.), can
only come out undamaged through the rectangle left by the removal
of this rear sundeck storage binnacle (aka package binnacle).

Note: Almost none of this removal procedure is explained in the factory
shop manual.
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9. Remove fuel pump assembly from the top of the fuel tank from the trunk:

FROM THE TRUNK:
- Disconnect the blue male fuel pump connector from the blue female
fuel pump harness connector.
- If you haven't done so already, bleed pressure out of the fuel system
by cranking the engine with the fuel pump fuse (driver side dash, by
your kneecap) removed. Also remove the fuel tank inlet gas cap.
Have a large hotel towel handy because it's inevitable that fuel
will leak as you remove the fuel pump assembly from the fuel tank.
- With a 19mm open-end wrench, remove the two 19 mm tubing nuts holding
the metal fuel pump outlet and vapor lines to the top of the fuel pump
assembly. Be careful not to break the three-line plastic separator
(as I did) when bending the rigid metal fuel lines out of the way.
- With an 8mm box-wrench or a three-inch stubby #2 phillips screwdriver,
remove the six 8mm bolts holding down the fuel tank assembly cover
plate to the fuel tank.
- Gently pull up on the fuel pump assembly taking care to prevent the
six-inch black rubber O-ring from falling into the fuel tank.
- From the trunk, twisting gently as needed through the rear sundeck
shelf package binnacle opening, remove the fuel pump assembly.
- From the rear seat area, look down into the opening left by the
removal of the rear sundeck package binnacle and inspect the fuel
tank for debris (mine was as clean as a galvanized chambered whistle).
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10. Remove the fuel pump from the fuel pump assembly:

OUT OF THE CAR:
- Pull out the two one-inch brown plastic alignment clothes-pins
in the fuel pump wing bracket.
- Remove the two #2 phillips bolts bracing the fuel pump body to the
fuel pump assembly.
- Remove the one #2 phillips bolt holding the fuel filter sock to the
metal fuel assembly (and push out the alignment tab).
- Remove the #2 phillips bolt attaching the power wire and the #2
phillips bolt attaching the ground wire to the fuel pump itself.
- Gently force the fuel pump motor black rubber wings out of their
braces in the fuel pump assembly leaving just the fuel hose attached.
- Once the fuel pump wings are outside their slots, use pliars to
open the spring hose clamp on the plastic fuel pump outlet nipple.
- Remove the (now unattached) fuel pump from the fuel pump assembly.
- Compare the old fuel pump (in size & shape) to the new pump (the
two fuel pumps should match exactly).
- The replacement follows the reverse procedure.

Note: I purchased a new fuel pump from a parts store for $312.oo while
the Infiniti dealership listed the fuel pump for $320. The
Infiniti dealership sold me the six-inch fuel pump O-ring for
$13.oo (all numbers include tax). I noticed, afterward, that
online, I could get the same pump (including the six-inch O-ring)
for $235 plus shipping & tax. Go Internet, if you have the time.
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11. Remove the fuel pump control unit for replacement or repair:

FROM THE TRUNK:
- From the trunk, on your left side with your head facing the driver
side rear fender, with your right arm through the opening left by the
removal of the rear sundeck package binnacle, place your index finger
on the topside location of the bolt head for the two bolts holding the
fuel pump control unit bracket to the underside of the rear sundeck.
- Have a partner mark the location of the two bolt heads (the actual bolt
heads are buried under 1/8th inch thick rubberized soundproofing material)
using whiteout or other suitable marking on the black gunky material.

FROM THE REAR SEAT AREA:
- With a small paring knife, cut out the rubberized gunky black sound-
proofing material on top of the two 10mm bolt heads.
- Use a 10mm box wrench to remove the two bolts holding the clamp on
the underside of the package shelf. Note that the clamp itself forms
a U, with one portion of the bracket above and one portion below the
metal horizontal sundeck shelf.

BACK IN THE TRUNK:
- Check that the fuel pump control unit (white, female) harness connector
is disconnected from the fuel pump control unit (white, male) connector.
- Remove the fuel pump control unit (with the bracket assembly attached)
by pulling it toward the rear of the car, and downward.
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12. Inspect, repair, or replace the fuel pump control unit:

OUT OF THE CAR:
- Remove the four #2 phillips head screws holding the top plate
(with bracket assembly) of the fuel pump control unit.
- Remove the four #2 phillips head screws holding the bottom plate
of the fuel pump control unit.
- Inspect the wiring everywhere; notice any charred or burned areas
(my ground wire on the bottom right (terminal side, tab on top) of the
white male fuel pump control unit connector was charred a bit.
- Also, there was infinite resistance between that bottom-right male
terminal and the corresponding printed circuit board connection
(marked #4 on the PCB) on the underside of the printed circuit board.
- I used a 25-watt soldering iron & a blue solder sucker to vacuum up
the solder around that #4 pin and I re-soldered that ground pin.
- I also added a two-inch patch of 16AWG copper wire, soldered to that
#4 pin and to all the connections on the printed circuit board I could
identify as being that same ground connection.
- Test with a ohm meter that the resistance for that one ground lead
is near zero; and that accidental shorts to other traces did not occur.
- Replace the now-repaired fuel pump control unit in the reverse order
of removal.

Note: Do not power-up the fuel pump control unit out of the car as the
holding bracket supplies the main ground for the fuel pump control
unit itself.

Note: The #4 terminal is the ONLY terminal on the male white fuel pump
control unit connector which is surrounded by EMPTY pins in the
white female fuel pump control unit harness connector.
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POST MORTEM:

THINGS I LEARNED THE HARD WAY:
- Basically, I should've replace the fuel pump at 100K miles!
Apparently they all eventually go bad. I should have also listened
for the now tell-tale hum (I never even noticed it before).
- Also, once before, about six months ago, my car would not start for
about an hour; and then, all of a sudden, started. At the time, I
chalked it up to cylinder wash (loss of compression due to gasoline
washing the oil off the piston walls causing rings to temporarily not
seal); but now I realize it was probably the fuel pump control unit
#4 pin solder heated up and, when it cooled, it re-connected itself.
- It was recommended we should fill up when just about on one quarter
of a tank (or so). The (unsubstantiated) argument states that the fuel
pump heats up, causing more current draw (how?) which causes the solder
connection on the fuel pump control module ground circuit to heat up
which, if it melts, can cause the open circuit that I found in mine.
- You can diagnose everything from the trunk (after merely removing just
the bulkhead between the rear seat back & the trunk); but you must
remove the seats, package shelf, and storage bin in order to remove
and replace either the fuel pump or the fuel pump control unit.
- The new six-inch fuel pump O-ring looked EXACTLY the same as the old
one (condition was imperceptably different). So much, I ended up mixing
the two accidentally, and I couldn't tell them apart. Be advised.
- The new pump made almost NO SOUND. I didn't even realize that until
I had replaced it. Even with the full-power jumper bypassing the
fuel pump control, the new fuel pump hummed vastly less than the old
fuel pump hummed.
- The current draw and resistance measurements of the old fuel pump
and the new fuel pump were almost the same; so do not rely on these
figures as a diagnosis test (listen for hum or check your odometer):
OLD FUEL PUMP: NEW FUEL PUMP:
0.9 to 1.1 ohms 0.6 to 0.8 ohms
5.6 to 5.8 amps 5.8 to 6.7 amps
both of these numbers are from the blue male fuel pump connector
to ground with the fuel pump control unit bypassed to ground; this
runs the fuel pump at an unregulated full speed.
- The factory shop manual makes NO MENTION of the quick and easy test
jumpering the fuel pump control unit harness connector to ground.
Instead, the factory shop manual walks you through an apparently
unnecessary lengthy step-by-step debugging process requiring the use
of a three, four, and then a five wire jig to debug the fuel pump
control unit. Don't overdiagnose. Just use the jumper and if the
fuel pump operates, then replace BOTH the fuel pump and the fuel
pump control unit (or repair the fuel pump control unit).
- If I had diagnosed following the factory shop manual, I would have
concluded only that the fuel pump control unit needed replacement;
yet, had I replaced only the fuel pump control unit, the humming
fuel pump (drawing excess current) would have burned out the new
fuel pump control unit in months.
- For the longest time I was confused about the various debugging
procedures in the factory shop manual. What cleared it up was the
realization of all the proper connector names! I've made a sincere
attemp in this note to use the proper names at all times.
- Many folks say you can test the deliver of fuel past the fuel filter
(in the engine compartment) by squeezing the fuel hose while the engine
is cranking to feel for fuel pressure. I can't tell. I recommend
removal of the fuel filter. It provides proof positive.
- The factory shop manual goes into the engine control unit debugging.
It was not needed in my case so I'm glad I skipped that part.
- The hardest thing in the world was to find the locations of the
various units; and to find out how to remove some of them. In this
note, I take special care to describe both the name of the unit and
the precise location, for others to benefit.
- Most folks recommend disconnecting the battery & removing it from the
car when working on the fuel tank. I didn't do this, but you should.
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"Alora Duncan" <***@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:***@posting.google.com...
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Diary of a classic 1990 Infiniti Q45 fuel pump & pump control unit failure
By Alora Duncan http://profiles.yahoo.com/tangalora
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Note: Photos were taken of every step below; but I do not know how to post
these revealing photos to this forum.
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0. One morning, my 1990 Infiniti Q45 (125K miles) wouldn't start:

The 4.5 liter 8-cylinder engine cranked wonderfully, but would not catch.
It wasn't the starter motor nor the battery (as it rotated perfectly).
As always, it had to be either gas, air, spark, compression, or timing.

Following is an idealized path others can follow to debug & repair.

Note: My actual debug & repair path took three weeks and much trial &
error; which is exactly why I wrote this howto for others to follow.

Note: Re-assembly, in all cases, is the reverse of the dis-assembly
procedures described below.

Note: This dozen-step diagnostic, removal, & replacement procedure is
accompanied every step of the way with digital photos illustrating
every described action.
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1. I ran a quick visual/audible gas, air, spark, compression & timing check:

GAS: The gas tank was completely full (filled the night before).
The 15 amp fuel pump fuse was intact (replaced it anyway).
I could NOT hear the fuel pump humming (at any time).
AIR: The air intake & air filter were not clogged (left it open).
SPARK: I did not know how to run a quick test for spark.
COMPRESSION: The engine did sound like cylinder wash (no compression?).
TIMING: The camshaft rotated (looking in the oil-filler hole).
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2. I soon realized no gasoline was being pumped INTO the fuel filter:

- I removed the 15 amp fuel pump fuse (by the driver-side right kneecap);
- I cranked the engine in order to release any residual fuel pressure;
- I removed the two 10mm bolts holding the fuel filter clamp to the body;
- I removed the two #2 phillips screws holding the fuel filter hoses on;
- I replaced the 15 amp fuel pump fuse and cranked the engine again.
- No gasoline spurted out of the open fuel line hose.

Note: One clue was that, after an overnight sitting, with the fuel filter
and activated carbon fuel cannister still on the car, the engine
started for a split second. This happened for two mornings.
I suspect this momentary ignition was due to the burning of
fuel fumes collecting in the fuel system over long periods of
David Pusker
2003-11-17 22:09:10 UTC
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Thank you very much for the detailed information. My wife and I have a 93 Q
with 101K on it and at some point it is going to need a fuel pump. The
dealer is great but very expensive as I'm sure you know. I have printed out
your information and will keep it handy.

Thanks again!

Dave
Post by Alora Duncan
I've been driving on the new fuel pump & resoldered fuel pump control module
for a few weeks now. I wrote up the entire sequence (with pictures) and will
post to the yahoo & NICO newsgroups for the next Q45 do-it-yourself mechanic.
(This writeup will be especially useful because the procedure to follow is
NOT the procedure in the factory shop manual. The yahoo & Nico newsgroups
were especially helpful so I feel I should give something back to them.)
The new Infiniti Q45 fuel pump barely makes a sound. Even hot-wired to ground
(with full battery voltage), the new fuel pump was still MUCH quieter than the
original Q45 fuel pump. Next time, when I hear a Q45 fuel pump hummin', I'm
going to replace it BEFORE it eventually destroys the fuel pump control unit.
If I had simply replaced the fuel pump control unit (which exhibited the
classic Q45 #4 ground-wire solder melted-open problem), the old fuel pump
would have still drawn enough current to burn the new fuel pump control
unit out in a short while.
If I had simply replaced the noisy fuel pump, the Q45 still would not run
because the destroyed fuel pump control unit left open the circuit to ground.
The non-intuitive repair consisted of replacing the working fuel pump (which
drew too much current) with a new $312 dollar fuel pump; and resoldering
(after reinforcing) the non-working #4 ground-wire circuit to ground
in the Q45 fuel pump control unit (saving a $500 dollar replacement cost).
I left the trunk bulkhead loose so I could check for overheating, but, the
resoldered Infiniti Q45 fuel pump control unit appears only slightly warm
to the touch, even after 50 miles of highway driving.
Total time for repair: About 3 weeks elapsed time; maybe 5 hours actual,
of which 4 were debugging which could have been replaced with 10 minutes of
debugging time had I known what I know now about Q45 fuel pump
diagnostics).
Post by Alora Duncan
Total cost for repair: $312 for the Q45 fuel pump; $12 for the 0 ring.
Alora Duncan
2003-11-21 06:27:42 UTC
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Post by David Pusker
Thank you very much for the detailed information. My wife and I have a 93 Q
with 101K on it and at some point it is going to need a fuel pump. The
dealer is great but very expensive as I'm sure you know. I have printed out
your information and will keep it handy.
I'm glad to be of service. Every Infiniti Q45 owner (up to 1996 I think)
should learn about this Q45 engineering fault.

Just remember two things:
- Do NOT follow the factory shop manual!
- Keep a 1-foot 14 AWG aligator clip wire in your trunk.

When your Q45 dies in the middle of nowhere, you merely remove the rear
trunk fiberboard bulkhead; unclip the white fuel pump control unit harness
connector; jump the correct wire to ground; and voila! You're on your
feet again!

Back at the farm, if you follow the factory shop manual, you'll
correctly diagnose the burned-out fuel pump control unit (aka the fuel pump
modulator); but you'll likely conclude the old fuel pump was good (it still
works). Second opinion is that the old fuel pump is what burned out the Q45
fuel pump control unit in the first place; so, you're in for a repeat episode
of chronic fuel-pump 'modulitis' if you follow the FSM prescription.

The recommended prophylaxis is to resolder & reinforce the fuel pump control
unit ground cnnections and to perform a fuel-pump'ectomy.

Alora
Allen
2016-04-07 17:18:00 UTC
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replying to Alora Duncan, Allen wrote:
Its in the window area.when taking it out the trunk it has to come through the
hole
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Allen
2016-04-07 17:18:00 UTC
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replying to Alora Duncan, Allen wrote:
Fuel pump in trunk.have to take out back seat an cover to take fuel rail an
pump out trunk.I have a q45 1991 an it has the same problems.
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grod
2017-02-07 13:18:01 UTC
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replying to Alora Duncan, grod wrote:
Cranks over teally hood n t wont start

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Paul in Houston TX
2017-02-07 18:50:29 UTC
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Post by grod
Cranks over teally hood n t wont start
It ran out of gas 14 years ago and has been sitting in his driveway ever
since.
Your Name
2017-02-07 20:01:18 UTC
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Q45 won't start (cranks easily) how to diagnose?
Easy ... take it to a Nissan workshop.

There's very little point in "home mechanics" playing around with
modern cars. You simply don't have the right equipment thanks to all
the computer controllers and sensor systems.
Paypaul
2017-10-16 12:18:01 UTC
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replying to Alora Duncan, Paypaul wrote:
97 Q45 won’t start and I don’t hear the fuel pump I need to know where the
fuel relay and control module is located

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Your Name
2017-10-16 21:14:49 UTC
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Post by Paypaul
97 Q45 won’t start and I don’t hear the fuel pump I need to know where the
fuel relay and control module is located
Easy ... your local Nissan service centre can (probably) quickly
diagnose the problem.
Xeno
2017-10-17 02:39:18 UTC
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Post by Your Name
97 Q45 won’t start and I don’t hear the fuel pump I need to know
where the
fuel relay and control module is located
Easy ... your local Nissan service centre can (probably) quickly
diagnose the problem.
It never ceases to amaze me the number of people who think a code
scanner is a panacea for all of a car's ills. What seems to be getting
lost here is that error codes provide a start point, a *guide*, but they
are not the be all and end all of matters diagnosis. The diagnostician
still needs a very good working knowledge of all the underlying systems
for, without that, the error codes are just *numbers* and can lead
someone to waste inordinate amounts of time and money.
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Noddy! Have you made that call, sent that email?
The number to call: 1300 304 064
The email address: ***@dmirs.wa.gov.au


Xeno
Scott Dorsey
2017-10-17 13:32:26 UTC
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Post by Your Name
97 Q45 won’t start and I don’t hear the fuel pump I need to know where the
fuel relay and control module is located
Easy ... your local Nissan service centre can (probably) quickly
diagnose the problem.
Not if his local Nissan service center is anything like mine is. The service
writer seems to have a preset list of services that every car needs.
--scott
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"C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis."
Your Name
2017-10-17 19:51:19 UTC
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97 Q45 won’t start and I don’t hear the fuel pump I need to know where the
fuel relay and control module is located
Easy ... your local Nissan service centre can (probably) quickly
diagnose the problem.
Not if his local Nissan service center is anything like mine is. The service
writer seems to have a preset list of services that every car needs.
Of course they do, in terms of the regular maintainence "service", but
for repairs it's different. If your local centre can't do proper
repairs, then either they are not really Nissan licensed or they
shouldn't be.
Scott Dorsey
2017-10-17 21:35:21 UTC
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97 Q45 won’t start and I don’t hear the fuel pump I need to know where the
fuel relay and control module is located
Easy ... your local Nissan service centre can (probably) quickly
diagnose the problem.
Not if his local Nissan service center is anything like mine is. The service
writer seems to have a preset list of services that every car needs.
Of course they do, in terms of the regular maintainence "service", but
for repairs it's different. If your local centre can't do proper
repairs, then either they are not really Nissan licensed or they
shouldn't be.
They might be able to diagnose my X, but they are more worried about telling
me that my Y and Z are about to fail and need immediate attention and that
if I don't replace my windshield wipers for $75 the sky will fall on me.
And that rip in the upholstery has to be fixed immediately, and those tires
are not authorized tires from the dealer but are third-party tires that are
suspicious and should be replaced. They don't _want_ to fix my car, they
want to sell me a new car and take my car in as trade-in.
--scott
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"C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis."
Your Name
2017-10-18 00:42:24 UTC
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97 Q45 won’t start and I don’t hear the fuel pump I need to know where the
fuel relay and control module is located
Easy ... your local Nissan service centre can (probably) quickly
diagnose the problem.
Not if his local Nissan service center is anything like mine is. The service
writer seems to have a preset list of services that every car needs.
Of course they do, in terms of the regular maintainence "service", but
for repairs it's different. If your local centre can't do proper
repairs, then either they are not really Nissan licensed or they
shouldn't be.
They might be able to diagnose my X, but they are more worried about telling
me that my Y and Z are about to fail and need immediate attention and that
if I don't replace my windshield wipers for $75 the sky will fall on me.
And that rip in the upholstery has to be fixed immediately, and those tires
are not authorized tires from the dealer but are third-party tires that are
suspicious and should be replaced. They don't _want_ to fix my car, they
want to sell me a new car and take my car in as trade-in.
Maybe you should report them to Nissan (and/or the Automobile
Association, etc.) and get their license revoked ... as well as finding
another service centre, which may be impossible in smaller towns.

Here in New Zealand we have the various licensed Nissan dealers, but
also independent repair centres (both nationwide chains and small
individual companies) who are certified by the Motor Trade Association
as being legitimate and responsible (as well as insured) ... too many
complaints that can be substantiated, and the repair centre gets their
certificate revoked, although they can technically keep trading, they
can't display the MTA certificate on the wall which *should* deter any
potential customer with some sense from using them.
Steve W.
2017-10-18 04:48:21 UTC
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97 Q45 won’t start and I don’t hear the fuel pump I need to know where the
fuel relay and control module is located
Easy ... your local Nissan service centre can (probably) quickly
diagnose the problem.
Not if his local Nissan service center is anything like mine is. The service
writer seems to have a preset list of services that every car needs.
Of course they do, in terms of the regular maintainence "service", but
for repairs it's different. If your local centre can't do proper
repairs, then either they are not really Nissan licensed or they
shouldn't be.
They might be able to diagnose my X, but they are more worried about telling
me that my Y and Z are about to fail and need immediate attention and that
if I don't replace my windshield wipers for $75 the sky will fall on me.
And that rip in the upholstery has to be fixed immediately, and those tires
are not authorized tires from the dealer but are third-party tires that are
suspicious and should be replaced. They don't _want_ to fix my car, they
want to sell me a new car and take my car in as trade-in.
Maybe you should report them to Nissan (and/or the Automobile
Association, etc.) and get their license revoked ... as well as finding
another service centre, which may be impossible in smaller towns.
Here in New Zealand we have the various licensed Nissan dealers, but
also independent repair centres (both nationwide chains and small
individual companies) who are certified by the Motor Trade Association
as being legitimate and responsible (as well as insured) ... too many
complaints that can be substantiated, and the repair centre gets their
certificate revoked, although they can technically keep trading, they
can't display the MTA certificate on the wall which *should* deter any
potential customer with some sense from using them.
Doesn't happen here. This is the shorthand version of becoming a dealer
in the US.
The dealer hands the manufacturer a boatload of cash to buy the
franchise. The manufacturer gives them a list of tools they need and the
training schedule for factory classes.
They will send or a few folks to help the dealer get set up and test
them on a few repairs and they are in business.

If there are complaints to the manufacturer the dealer will be
approached and told "Don't do that again" The manufacturers rep will
talk to the vehicle owner and offer them free service or a set of floor
mats or something equally mundane. The customer thinks they won, the
dealer stays in business and the company is happy. If the mistake is
REALLY bad they might fire the guy mopping the floors as a show of faith
to the vehicle owner....

Actually diagnosing the cars problems, if they are beyond the easy stuff
falls to the one guy the dealer pays to show up and do that job. Some
don't even do that. They will load up the "trouble cars" and take them
to a central location or even to a different shop for the actual
diagnostic work to be done by an outside party.
--
Steve W.
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